10th District candidates face off in first debate

(WEAU) - The participants in the recall election in the 10th District had their first chance to make their case Monday night.

Republican State Senator Shelia Harsdorf and Democratic recall candidate Shelly Moore sat down for the 1st of 4 debates. During the debate, Senator Harsdorf touted her record of creating jobs and balancing the budget. Moore stressed the effect state budget cuts will have on education.

Senator Harsdorf and Shelly Moore's next debate is Wednesday at 7 p.m.

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  • by Kodi Location: Menomonie on Jul 27, 2011 at 04:47 AM
    So... what is fair compensation for the work a teacher does in Wisconsin? But while we're at it, let's look at how much mechanics, technicians, engineers, other laborers make and decide for them also. (How did that go for everyone in the old Soviet Union?) Read and you will see the big picture. This isn't about teacher pay. It's about one party posturing themselves to limit voter rights. People love to complain about education because it's their last grasp at any control in government. These changes will affect all of us. Are you sure you want just one party making the decisions for the state or would a balanced/compomised approach be better?
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      by Tom on Jul 27, 2011 at 11:37 AM in reply to Kodi
      Actually it happens to be about the fact that state employees are paid by residents of the state. Thus compensation should be fair, equitable and comparable to that of the private sector. If you want to make it a political arguement, that is up to you, though by doing so it is you not seeing the big picture.
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        by amy on Jul 27, 2011 at 04:18 PM in reply to Tom
        That would be awesome, Tom. I would love to have my pay be equal to those in the private sector! Of course, you would have to make it equal to someone in the private sector who has an equivalent education and years of experience. I know I will come out way ahead! Go ahead and pursue that Tom, I for one would be grateful to receive comparable private sector pay.
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        by William of Normandy on Jul 27, 2011 at 04:23 PM in reply to Tom
        How much would someone make in the private sector that has a Bachelor's and Master's Degree? How much do you think they should make? What's fair?
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        by Kodi on Jul 28, 2011 at 03:19 AM in reply to Tom
        http://reason.org/news/show/public-sector-private-sector-salary A good article that shows the difficulty of comparing public and private sector job compensation. Life isn't fair. There will always be someone who has it better and someone who has it worse. I am, however, seeing Walker's plan for more jobs... I've had to take on two more myself! I'll ask again. How much do you want to pay teachers for the job they do for the residents of this state?
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          by Bob on Jul 30, 2011 at 03:47 AM in reply to Kodi
          The problem with this article is that it focuses to much on Californis public workers. Everyone knows or should know that the cost of living in California is way out of line compared to Wisconsin. This article may be a better match for Wisconsin: -- http://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-public-sector-wages-2011-2 --
  • by whatever Location: EC on Jul 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM
    The debate proved that Moore is an unqualified, one issue "candidate".
  • by Tommy Location: Eau Claire on Jul 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM
    Gripe and whine. I have a good friend who works road crew for the County. All he does is complain about what he can't afford to buy. Has over 25 years in and he's late 50's. Told him to retire, obviously the stress is too much for him. Haven't heard from him in a couple of days. Not my fault he decided since he has a big money job that he needed lots of toys that are not paid for. Should be happy he still has a job and toys compared to others who have lost jobs and sold their toys. Some that have the most are still ungrateful for what they have.
  • by Kathy on Jul 26, 2011 at 10:34 AM
    I think that the fact that Shelley Moore used "school time" & "school computers" for political purposes says it all. If she is so concerned about the "children" (remember - it's all about the children)why didn't she take care of her political matters on her own time & her own computer? Guess that's because as a part of the "WISCONSIN MAFIA" you think you can do whatever you want! Funny too that Sheila has be our representative for years but the minute she crosses the unions she is unfit to serve the people who elected her? I am so sick of the unions!
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      by Anonymous on Jul 27, 2011 at 12:21 PM in reply to Kathy
      "WISCONSIN MAFIA"!!!!1!1!!!
  • by Tom on Jul 26, 2011 at 08:39 AM
    The fact is teachers in the state of Wisconsin continue to have excellent pay and benefit packages. Are teachers leaving the state in large numbers? No. If so, why do teachers from other states continue to apply for jobs here only to be told that there are no positions available. Teachers retiring in large numbers? Yes! Who else is able to retire at the age of 57 and continue with benefits? And who is paying for all of these benefits? Not the unions. I agree with law enforcement having the option to retire at a younger age- say 57- due to the nature of the job. But teachers? Why? So they can go out and get a second job and double dip. Certainly they can retire if they choose to at a younger age, but the benefit they would receive should be comparable to that of private sector jobs. Govenor Walker is on the right track, identifying issues that have dragged our state down economically- and then he has had the guts to tackle these problem areas. My hat is off to him for doing the job. And why is there such an outcry? Because the teachers union is the largest in the nation. Based on the numbers, it would be expected that there would be a corresponding outcry. This does not mean they are right or that they represent the majority, simply that there a lot of them- plus they have their summers to do what they want (ie, hang around in Madison).
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      by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 09:33 AM in reply to Tom
      Why are we in such a hurry to take something away from someone else that we do not have. Instead taking from someone else, why don’ t you use it as leverage to get better benefits for you. This attitude of they don’t deserve is nothing more than jealous playground bullying. If that kid has something I want and I can’t have it, I will make sure they don’t enjoy it either. Grow up and be happy for people for once. If teaching is such a good job, become a teacher. No I am not a teacher, no I am not in a union, I just have moral standard that prevents me from taking something good from someone just because I don’t have it.
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        by Susan on Jul 26, 2011 at 10:15 AM in reply to
        You sound silly and the one displaying a childish it's mine and you can't have it attitude. It is the right of voters and their elected officials to determine if public sector employee benefits and salaries are appropriate. They have been found to be not appropriate.
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          by Tom on Jul 26, 2011 at 10:43 AM in reply to Susan
          Thank you susan. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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          by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM in reply to Susan
          I hope you don't have any kids in the public school system any more. With the good teachers leaving, three have retired from my district and two more have left to goto Minnesota, the only ones left to teach will be the people how can't get a job any where else. I don't want those people around my kids, maybe you do.
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          by RM on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:57 PM in reply to Susan
          Your right Susan, but what about our local elected school boards. A one size fits all across the state fix hurt some our schools.
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        by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 02:38 PM in reply to
        How do you suggest paying for all this? Raise the state's debt ceiling? Is that what you do when you run short? Borrow more? Is that what you teach your children?
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        by RM on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:53 PM in reply to
        Your right anonymous, attitude. I want what I have and what the guy next door has.
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        by Terri on Jul 27, 2011 at 01:01 AM in reply to
        They're all jealous of teachers pay and benefits, but not jealous of all the CEO's hundreds of thousands or millions. Take from the public employees and let the CEO's just keep getting richer with the tax cuts for their corporations. Makes sense to me, NOT.
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      by anon on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:25 PM in reply to Tom
      I agree with most of your comments, but teacher retirement is a joke. It is an anuity which should explain how good a deal it is NOT. I quit teaching to make three times the money and retire at 40. Same degree, similar work hours per year. I agree with what Walker did, but you are lacking info on the retirement system.
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        by Anonymous on Jul 27, 2011 at 04:25 AM in reply to anon
        Yeah, we in the private sector all retir at 40 and make $180,000/year- don't tell anyone!
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        by t on Jul 27, 2011 at 05:49 AM in reply to anon
        Really?? What job did you do after teaching?
  • by Aimee Location: EC on Jul 26, 2011 at 08:38 AM
    Shelly Moore is ONLY for teachers. She is selfish and does not look at anything from the budget except what impacts her. LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE MS MOORE!
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      by Terri on Jul 27, 2011 at 12:08 AM in reply to Aimee
      You must not have watched the same debate that I watched. I thought Shelly Moore was for what is best for the people of WI, not just the teachers of WI. But then again, I listened to both of them with an opened mind.
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        by t on Jul 27, 2011 at 05:50 AM in reply to Terri
        So... what is your open monded determination?
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          by Terri on Jul 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM in reply to t
          Well, I was hoping that Harsdorf would have said she didn't completely agree with some of the things that were passed by her party. So that gave her strike one. Then when Moore said she was Pro-Children, that gave her one hit. Then Harsdorf said she was pro life of the unborn. That gave her another strike in my book. She only cares about them when they're a fetus, but when they reach school age, cut their education. But the clincher for me was when Harsdorf said 36,000 jobs have been created in WI since January. Then she went on to say 12,900 new jobs were created in the last month in WI, then said it was amazing that WI created 1/2 of the new jobs created in the whole nation. (Lies) Harsdorf talks about job creation. Moore talks about family sustaining job creation, big difference. Shelly has my vote.
  • by Anonymous Location: EC on Jul 26, 2011 at 07:17 AM
    Moore can join them after this election.
  • by Ron Location: ELLSWORTH on Jul 26, 2011 at 06:08 AM
    Well help mrs. Moore pack!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • by Geo Location: Eau Claire on Jul 26, 2011 at 05:54 AM
    Let all the teachers leave, bring in the ones who want to teach. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing these teachers crying about money, we know that's all they care about. The trips to Madison has showen that. The dom-o-rats and union want to run this state into the ground. I wounder how many of these teachers cheat on tests being given, to make themselfs and the schools look good. We'll be watching you.
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      by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 08:06 AM in reply to Geo
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      by Terri on Jul 27, 2011 at 12:05 AM in reply to Geo
      Geo, Good Lord I hope the teachers are better than the ones you had. You said 'showen', it's shown. You said 'wounder', it's wonder. You said 'themselfs' it's themselves. You need to find a teacher so you can learn proper grammar and spelling, so when you post a comment you don't look uneducated. You forget, the teachers agreed to the cuts Walker wanted before he took away their collective bargaining. All of these recalls wouldn't have happened if our lawmakers would have talked to their constituents. They didn't, it was like they were hiding. If you wrote them a letter or an email, and were lucky enough to get a reply, they didn't reply to anything concerning what was in the letter. They had one letter they sent to everyone who contacted them, both for and against. The pat answer of; 'Thank you for contacting me, Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns, blah blah blah..., This is what were going to do. Please feel free to contact me anytime about concerns you may have in the future.' They don't take anyones comments or questions seriously, I'm sure they don't even read them. The reply is just a pat on the head, then go away little boy. At least Shelly Moore said she will listen to her constituents. I know a woman that has been trying to contact Harsdorf for months, not about teachers or unions, but about one of the many things in this budget that's really going to affect her. Sen. Harsdorf has not written, nor emailed, nor returned any of her calls. Yea, she's real available to the people that voted her in.
  • by Bob on Jul 26, 2011 at 05:23 AM
    I have not heard of any teachers leaving the state either. And the money that Moore is looking for is back in our pockets where it belongs.
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      by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 08:31 AM in reply to Bob
      It must be so hard to support public education. One would hate to give our kids a chance at a good future.
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        by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 09:13 AM in reply to
        Don't confuse one "support to education" with non-support of greedy unions. Bottom lines, unions having nothing to do with supporting education. They are all about putting money in there own pockets.
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          by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 09:37 AM in reply to
          The comment "And the money that Mooore is looking for is back in our pockets" does not say anything about taking power from the unions, just money from our kids education. 900 million is a huge cut to any program. Why must our kids future be damaged by our lack of ability to control our spending.
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          by RM on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:21 PM in reply to
          The problem is you lump all schools and teachers in the state as one group. I think that in some locations teachers and schools need a change. The majority didn't and were already cutting for the past 10 years. The funding formula for schools is OLD and needs to be changed.
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        by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 09:21 AM in reply to
        We've been hearing that for the last 30 years. Pouring yet more money in doesn't make education better. It only makes schools less accountable. Where was Ms Moore last budget when our last Governor took $297 million from the schools AND diverted an $847,000,000 Federal stimulus check away from the schools? I don't remember hearing any of the teachers complaining or trying to recall anyone at that time.
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          by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM in reply to
          The schools took it and laid off staff. My local school lost three teachers and had another jobs get reduced to part time. They were willing to give, but know it is to much and there is nothing else to give.
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          by Anonymous on Jul 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM in reply to
          So how do you seperate "schools" from "education" from "teachers"? You mean Administration just took a stack of money into the back room and divided it up? Almost sounds like you meant to say "unions" instead of "schools".
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        by Tom on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:22 PM in reply to
        the way our schools are right now is already hurting our kid's future-
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      by Tim on Jul 26, 2011 at 03:37 PM in reply to Bob
      Sorry to burst your bubble Bob but, this has already been a trend in our state for some time. Schools from other states now come to Wisconsin to recruit our new teachers. They have teacher shortages across the US and know we have a good education system. They target areas like math, science, music, special education, and business. They happen to be areas of shortage in our state also. College students going into these programs are becoming less and less. If I'm good at numbers why go into education when an accountant makes more $, gets out of school in 4 years, and placement is strong? This just added another problem to filling our own states needs. So yes Bob this is a fact.
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